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In Chapter 6 of 14 in her 2010 Capture Your Flag interview, author Nina Godiwalla answers "What does it mean to be Persian-Indian-American living in the United States today?" Godiwalla connects her ancient Persian-Indian, or Parsi, culture to modern times through experiencing the benefits of immigrant community support across the United States. Descended from 10th century Iranian Zoroastrians who immigrated to India and, the United States based Parsi culture is small and extremely close-knit. The culture values achievement and organizes a network to promote successful community members. Godiwalla experiences this first hand as she relocates to Philadelphia to enter MBA studies at the University of Pennsylvania Wharton School of Business. Unexpected support provides Godiwalla firm footing to successfully transition into a new home and school.
Nina Godiwalla is the author of "Suits: A Woman on Wall Street" and the founder and CEO of Mindworks, a provider of leadership, stress management, and diversity training programs. Before starting her business and writing her book, Godiwalla worked at Johnson & Johnson and Oxygen Media and investment banking at Morgan Stanley. Godiwalla earned an MBA from Wharton, a MA from Dartmouth and a BBA from the University of Texas.
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Erik: What does it mean to be a Persian-Indian-American living in the United States today?
Nina: Persian-Indian is kind of an easier way of explaining it to people what it is; it’s actually called, it’s called Parsi is the name of the community and it’s really based off of a religious background, it’s Zoroastrianism, which is, what I -- the way I describe it is some people remember the word cause you remember you learned it in your seventh grade history class, it was literally a vocabulary word as I remember it and it’s a very, very ancient religion that was based out of ancient Persia and it was a very prominent religion thousands of years ago. There’s a group of people, some of them stayed but some of them fled and moved to India and those people are called Parsis, they’re originally Persians and they fled to India but this was a very long time ago, like maybe a thousand years ago or so.
So that group has a mixed culture, because their ancestry is Persian, their culture is Indian and my parents, they grew up in India and then we were born and raised -- their kids were born and raised in America so I was born here and it’s a very small community, there’s only about a hundred -- the numbers are all crazy but about two hundred thousand in the world today. When they moved to the US, you tend to move to the cities where the other ones live because everybody helps each other out and so they’re in the largest cities, Houston, my parents came to Houston because it’s one of the places where there is this very tight Parsi community. And one of the things I’ve found from my experience is that they’re very focused on achievement and people being successful and just as immigrants, I think the combination of my parents being immigrants and going through such difficult times, and growing up in a community where, it’s also a community that is very tight and wants, I’ve found, people to be successful, their community members to be very successful.
The combination has been this incredible support system for me and every moment, like when I got an internship in New York City and we’d never -- I’d never been to New York City, we didn’t know anything about it, it was scary when you’re coming out of this tiny little suburb in Houston. I had a whole ‘nother community over there that was going to support me, somebody gave a place, one of our what we call “aunties” gave me a place to live and for free, she was just like ‘Absolutely we want you, you got a job here, this is fantastic come live with me for free, I want you to succeed, I want things to go well for you’. People would throw me birthday parties, I mean I’d never met these people. It’s just, you know, it’s just that kind of environment of, and my husband is in Mauritius right and he, somebody learned that he, he met a Parsi person and he mentioned ‘Oh my wife is Parsi’ and she was like ‘Well come on over! Come to our house!’ and it’s that kind of environment wherever you are in the world somebody’s going to invite you to their house if they know what you are and I actually, I was very insistent about keeping my last name because it actually, people find you, like the Parsis find you.
When I went to business school and I was Wharton I got an email within my first two weeks of being there and there’s so few Parsi but like one woman from some side of the Penn side emailed me and said ‘I found the two or three Parsis that were, like, enrolled this year’ and it was just this fascinating thing and then of course she had like little events for us and she kind of hosted us and it’s just this really fascinating, like, very unusual for modern day to grow up in that kind of a community.
In Chapter 14 of 14 in her 2010 Capture Your Flag interview, ex-Morgan Stanley investment banker and author Nina Godiwalla answers "How have female role models and mentors given you strength and support on your journey to date?" Godiwalla shares why female role models are so critical in building a corporate finance career. Godiwalla faces challenges and seeks counsel in mid-to-senior level female bankers who make themselves available to support more junior peers. Godiwalla goes on to found a Morgan Stanley Women's Committee to help those needing guidance and support.
Nina Godiwalla is the author of "Suits: A Woman on Wall Street" and the founder and CEO of Mindworks, a provider of leadership, stress management, and diversity training programs. Before starting her business and writing her book, Godiwalla worked at Johnson & Johnson and Oxygen Media and investment banking at Morgan Stanley. Godiwalla earned an MBA from Wharton, a MA from Dartmouth and a BBA from the University of Texas.
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Erik Michielsen: How have female role models and mentors given you strength and support on your journey to date?
Nina Godiwalla: I’ve lived in different cities, I’ve been in different countries… there are moments in my life where I am very, very aware that I am a woman and one of the most striking examples is when I was in investment banking and I didn’t have this awareness of being, usually it’s like, there’s different things that stand out depending on what environment you’re in and for me I was in a group, I was the only woman in my group for a while while I was in investment banking and it’s just a completely different culture that I wasn’t very familiar with. That was one of the times in life I realized I really need -- I need somebody that’s done this, I need a woman around me to help me kind of navigate the system. And I would say before that in life I hadn’t necessarily, I was not seeking out woman mentors and when I was at college getting a finance degree at UT, I wasn’t -- there wasn’t an attitude of ‘Here, let me find other women’.
But being thrown into that environment that was so different suddenly I really desperately, quite desperately sought, really sought other women and what was interesting to me about the investment banking world is there were definitely -- the women that had been there, there were so few that had been there for a very, very long time but I found that there was very different perspectives with women, some people were ‘Yes, let me help you, let me… let me help you, how can we do this, what is it that you -- how can we work, how can I be your mentor’ and then there were other people of ‘You’ve got to rough it out, this is what it is and we don’t need to talk about the things that are happening and if this isn’t working for you just keep pushing through, put your head down, keep pushing through’ and I obviously I gravitated towards people that is actually something that I want to discuss and talk about different things and I couldn’t have made it through in a lot of ways without those mentors.
The experience I had was in corporate finance which was a kind of experience where it’s a little notorious for keeping you working all the time and you don’t really necessarily have that time to reflect and think about things. I started a Morgan Stanley women’s committee because I found people were looking for some guidance and they just had no idea where to go. Because they would look to the people about a year ahead of them and those people, there was an analyst program and those people were so busy and then the senior women were just, they were so senior that and there were so few of them that you just wouldn’t go call one of them up and say ‘Hey I had a bad day today can I talk to you?’ So it was really kind of bringing a group of women together is what I started because I found that was the way people were going to help get through, cause a lot of women would start coming to me with their issues and this was happening and this kind of stuff was happening and so I thought why don’t we bring this group together.
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