In Chapter 5 of 17 in his 2011 Capture Your Flag interview with host Erik Michielsen, designer and educator Jon Kolko shares why problem solving is neither an art nor science. He sees problem solving as a design process. Kolko sees science as a bucket containing things about the natural world. He sees art as a bucket of self-expression. He also sees design as a third bucket, containing things about the culture and the humanization of technology. Kolko is the executive director of design strategy at venture accelerator, Thinktiv (www.thinktiv.com). He is the founder and director of the Austin School for Design (www.ac4d.com). Previously, he worked at frog design and was a professor of Interactive and Industrial Design at the Savannah College of Art and Design (SCAD). He has authored multiple books on design. Kolko earned his Masters in Human Computer Interaction (MHI) and BFA in Design from Carnegie Mellon University.